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Number of voters: 4943
* a) Yes! They are as bad as genitals!
Number of votes: 195 (4%)
* b) Yes, but not as bad as genitals.
Number of votes: 857 (17%)
* c) Not really.
Number of votes: 476 (10%)
* d) No, it's perfectly normal with bare breasts.
Number of votes: 3118 (63%)
* e) I just want to see a lof of them!
Number of votes: 297 (6%)
2005-09-30 [Stephen]: That still doesn't help much. What is skinny and what is obese is very opiniated. (Yes, I know there are exceptions)
2005-09-30 [Stephen]: Well... anorexic can also be an opinion. >.>
2005-09-30 [zip]: It's not that opinionated, there is a certain ideal weight for each height and shape, with a slight variance either way. Anorexic->Skinny->>Normal<<Chubby<-Obese
2005-09-30 [, , , , , , , , ,]: *sigh* All people are artistic in my opion, nude, clothed, chubby, skinny (all others as well), speckled with freckles, tan, mocha, pail cream, russet and any other color, size, shape or any other possible variation of the human species there is. there are no exceptions in my view.
2005-09-30 [Stephen]: Zip: true.... Stripe: That's what I mean, this has to do with outlook, there is no set guideline.
2005-09-30 [zip]: http://badgas.
2005-09-30 [Stephen]: Well, someone might find her artistic. Some people like larger people.
2005-09-30 [cvee]: You're asking teenage boys ,which are the majority of elftowners this question? What do you think the answer will be? Oh come on, you know that's a waste of time.
2005-09-30 [zip]: Yet another "teenage boys" comment, I think you flatter yourself to think that many of us want to see your breasts.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: you know... we're just speaking from experience. that's all. And if you'd just open your eyes to the facts you'll realize it's true.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: it's not good to generallize. but sometimes it's unavoidable.
2005-09-30 [zip]: Please elaborate, speaking from experience of what, what truth am I failing to see, and why do you have difficulty avoiding generalization
2005-09-30 [Hannah Davis]: Well, if a woman is nude, whether she's showing her breasts or not, that's nudity. I can't stand those nudity warnings, though. This is an art-related community, damnit. Nakedness in art is normal, if not expected! (Someone should make the warning on my page vanish anyway if it's still there. I haven't drawn any penises in a while, and I occasionally get comments whining at me as a result)
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Back when I had pictures of me on my house I would get so many messages commenting on me and asking to see more. 98% of them were teenage boys.
2005-09-30 [Stephen]: I am a teenage boy, I don't want to see breasts myself, but 95% of teenage boys I know like to spend their free online time seeing breasts...
2005-09-30 [zip]: Kelaria, most teenage boys are horny, rude self absorbed little shits. I resent being lumped into that category. I am defending artistic nudity in art and photographs on this site not because I want to view it, but because it would be silly to restrict it.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: I am deeply sorry that you must be lumped into that category. You are obviously not like those "little shits" and so I dont wish to put you in with them. But it is unavoidable.
2005-09-30 [zip]: It's not unavoidable, simply say "Most of the boys voting Yes for Boobies on this poll are doing so for their own tittilation.". Key word: most.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: right then... "nearly all of the boys voting..."etc.
2005-09-30 [zip]: Thanks ^_^
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: sure thing there Zip!
2005-09-30 [zip]: Well, I must go for the evening, I look forward to continuing this tommorow. Hopefully there aren't many pages of comments i will miss out on by then :X
2005-09-30 [Charmed P.O.O]: omg boobs are boobs everyone has seen some even the gurls have seen some chicks boobs, so show them, they are boobs!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: -_-;; "Welcome to Boobtown. The chatty community for looking at womens' breasts all day long and getting teenage boys hornier than they already are, therefore attracting even MORE sleazy, slutty, horny perverts to this community!!"
2005-09-30 [Stephen]: LMAO! ....Not my ideal community though...
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: this is such a stupid question. People should be mature enough to take it as art. I hate males who are just too immature to understand that some types oif nudity is art. I wish some people would just grow the fuck up!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: The point is, ART OR NOT some people DO NOT want to accidentally stumble onto naked pictures of people. (and the 'you can avoid it' argument is crap because some people dont want to see it in the first place). For example. When I'm at work or school the last thing I want is to click on a username of someone who visited my page and have a picture of her breasts pop up. I'd get fired and in a shitload of trouble.
2005-09-30 [TendoKing]: hear, hear!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Hell! I'd rather just not see anyone's breasts at any time anyway!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Not unless it's completely artistic
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: See, but when it comes to 'completely artistic' some people will say that it isn't because the only thing they know is that nudity is bad, and I know plenty of people like that, or, you have the stupid immature people who can't think of it as anything but porn to get off on.
2005-09-30 [Heartless Hooligans]: Charmed P.O.O: I think that the issue is the fact that if ET allows nudity then any one who wont’s to use ET as a sex site can post nude and sexual pic of them selves and others. In art nudity is fine in my opinion but when its sexual and personalized then it becomes a problem for the community. this is either a place for artist and those inspired or its for hook-up's. which would you prefer . I have no problem with nudity but its the possibility of porn and the digression of the Community.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: well what I meant, Kitsune Arashi, was that I'm going to decide which pictures of breasts I want to look at because they're artistic.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: And I'd like a warning with ANY nudity so I can be prepared.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: And not get fired... :D
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: cause I'm poor >.<
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: That's just the point. Elftown was made for artists, writers and the like. Now however, it has become something else entierly. I know I certainly didn't join Elftown to find people or to cyber with people, that's wrong. If Elftown was the way it used to be, nudity wouldn't be a problem.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Exactly! But Elftown is not the way it used to be :( so it is a problem... which is why we have to address it... *sigh*
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I wish there was a way to make it how it was, this sucks
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: So do I Kitsune... so do I...
2005-09-30 [eimhin]: What silliness. The human body's a beautiful thing, and everyone HAS the same parts, give or take. Seems absurd to me to find your own form offensive.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Join Take back Elftown or Take Elftown Back Somehow we'll figure out a way to get it back to the way it was
2005-09-30 [Heartless Hooligans]: Who other than i think the poll is misleading and dose not get a real accurate vote from the ET members?
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I do! Oh and to [eimhin] I completely agree, but people are immature
2005-09-30 [Heartless Hooligans]: eimhin: I 2 think the human body is beautiful the way it is but the way it is represented is what maters. the possibility of porn on ET changes what it was to something less respectful and pure. with porn we no longer are artist looking for a place to express but people looking to jerk off.
2005-09-30 [Heartless Hooligans]: I need to go, i have to put in a new weir fence for some new horses , but I hope the deliberations go well and that something is decided..
2005-09-30 [Heartless Hooligans]: keep me posted some one , any one.
2005-09-30 [Nickademus]: the human body is art, everything about it can be artistic, i consider my own body a sculpture that i work on daily. more power to anyone who is brave enough to bare themselves as art. if its just for attention, then its worthless.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: I'm already a member Kitsune ^_^ I have been for ages!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: And I also agree with you about the poll Fox Fire
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Oh, well good! More people should be on those! And yes, the poll really attrackts the wrong crowd to begin with... except for the few of us down on the comments ranting
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Exactly! I think the comments should hold more relevance than the poll..... but the guards dont seem to have enough time to read stuff like this...
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Nope, they're too worried about other things, like the art rules. ...wait... that gets right back to our whole conversation now doesn't it. Well, either way, I will repeat the fact that I wish we could make Elftown into what it was before people corrupted it
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Agreed Kitsune... *sigh*
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I mean, seriously, i haven't been on here half as long as several others, but I've watched the sudden plumit into perversion. I've had more people ask me if I wanted to cyber in these past few weeks than I ever thought possible. It's wrong and the fact that we have to water down simple art to deal with immaturity. We have to make sacrifices for those who have been destroying a place that was once a haven for those with creativity and artistic talent
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: My thoughts exactly... almost word-for-word right out of my head Kitsune!!
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Well I'm glad that someone else thinks the same way, because this is just plain stupid!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Agreed!
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: So... is it just me or did every one suddenly leave?
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: It does seem pretty empty in here... and I have to go soon too XP
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Well, hopfuly other will have something for us to come back to.
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: well I may not be able to be back for a while! I'm off to Minnesota tomorrow mornin! :D
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I'll try to keep you and [Heartless Hooligans] informed
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: excellent! thanks ^^
2005-09-30 [Yncke]: I'm sorry if it has been said, but I don't feel like going through 25 pages of comments, but I'm puzzled. Is this poll about people showing breasts in the category 'wanna cyber', all bare breasts in photo's (whether normal for that culture, artistic nudity or the advertising kind), or is it about all bare breasts, including drawings and such?
2005-09-30 [Foxspike]: u mean to say that if u have art that is slightly more on the naked side and people think ud like to cyber with them. i dont wanna sound like a bastard but how do those 2 things go hand in hand, i dunno lots of shallow people around here that kinda ruin it for every one still u can always ignore them
2005-09-30 [Yncke]: I didn't mean that. It's a straight forward question, I think. :)
2005-09-30 [xxDivineRxx]: Breasts are a feature of the human body, they are as beautiful as the rest. It's only human conception and embarresment that made them taboo.
2005-09-30 [Foxspike]: yea thats makes alot of sense never thought of it like that i mean i never had a problem but like i know some do
2005-09-30 [Calico Tiger]: *is trying to figure out how breasts AREN'T nudity* A nude breast is nudity o_O It's not porn. But it is nudity. And artistic nudity is allowed in Elftown.
2005-09-30 [Yncke]: I've interpreted this poll as being a question if a warning of "contains nudity" has to be put up above house containing bare breasts.
2005-09-30 [Demonic Dead Angel Of Life]: i would personally have to say i dont see anything wrong with it ( if its not in a porn way ), minus the fact kids are on here so ...
2005-09-30 [Nita]: Could you please finish the sentence? Kids are on here, so what? Most of us have spent a great part of our infancy sucking on a breast, anyway... :/
2005-09-30 [Panthar73]: i think in art it shoul not matter like drawlings but in a normal pic that a gulr posts on her own sight then yes it is nudity i dont want to stare at another womans chest i mean come on i dont want to randomley find a house that has some guys nut sack pic in there same as a girls tiht the caption saying look at these hooters if u have a pic like that and want to put it on the internet then put it on a porn sight!!!!!!!!!
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Well thank you for agreeing with me. I also understand what you're saying about drawings and photos, but in all honesty I don't fully agree with the fact that a womans breasts have become so taboo. When you get right down to it, men have the very same thing, except for the fact that theirs do not produce milk. It doesn't seem quite fare that female breasts have become what they have.
2005-09-30 [Guardian of Light]: they are that way because they are sexual stimuli (sp?) and people feel that they have to censor everything like that.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: It still seems wrong, especialy the fact that people believe it all needs to be cencored. I mean, c'mon, what are we here? Two? People need to grow up and learn that not everything on the net has to made into a porn site.
2005-09-30 [Elftown Is Gay]: Boobs? Who cares about boobs, let's allow genitals to be posted!
2005-09-30 [Angels Of San-Angelus]: If that's ya thing!
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Well the fact of the matter is that breasts are nudity. And some people do not want nudity to be allowed willy nilly on elftown without a warning. Which is understandable
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: ...to avoid it CAN avoid it and we are also given some preparation for seeing someone's breasts if we so desire.
2005-09-30 [manwe]: bare breasts ARE nudity... and nudity is NOT bad.... however, that being said, there are MANY immature and ignorant idiots that do not understand much and consider it pornographic. unfortunately, there are too many of those on here....
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: I completely agree that nudity is NOT bad. But I really would prefer not to see other womens' breasts plastered all over my beloved ELFtown.... it would severely degrade the quality of this place. Artistic is one thing, but do you really think the majority of girls are going to post artistic shots of their breasts?
2005-09-30 [Ocean Soul]: No.. the only art they show is how to make the males of this world drool.. not a very fantastic thing
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Those who wish to post artistic nudity already have (or will recieve) their house warning labels. Removing the necessity for them would just enable a heck of a lot more girls, with only the intention of making men drool, to post photos of their breasts all over their house at the expense of the rest of us who actually care about art and Elftown.
2005-09-30 [Ocean Soul]: To sum it all up: Bare breasts ARE nudity, artistic nudity (with waring) is perfectly allowed, other nudity should be reported and is fobidden.. so, where´s the question? xD
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Well everyone is sorta making it way more complicated than it has to be... yes, there's a lot of gray area in the question of whether or not society should consider nudity taboo... but that's not what we're being asked here. The question is simply "Should bare breasts be considered nudity on elftown?" a.k.a. should they have a required warning label, or be allowed to be posted whenever without a warning. The ONLY logical and acceptable answer is YES they ARE nudity and NO they should NOT be allowed to be posted without a warning label. It doesnt matter how the world got this way, only that it is and that to be fair to all, NUDE breasts should be (when displayed artistically) preceded by....
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: ...a warning label... and when not artistic, reported and REMOVED immediately. SIMPLE AS THAT.
2005-09-30 [Ocean Soul]: *nodds* the folk has a differnent oppinion though :-S
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: My very religious Christian friend is absoloutly convinced that Elftown would not and CAN not decide to allow bare breasts on Elftown without a warning... the mere idea of that is ludicrous to him! ...which brings up the issue of religion..... how many religious people (where the religion sees nudity as taboo) do you think clicked on the word 'BREASTS' in the alert?
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: I must say that I myself was completely and utterly SHOCKED when I signed onto Elftown yesterday at work and a huge alert bearing the bold and large text "What do you think about breasts on Elftown? Vote on Breasts!" popped up! My first thought was "OH NO! The guards are allowing and promoting porn pages on Elftown!!!!"
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Thank goodness for the alert hide button!!!!!
2005-09-30 [Ocean Soul]: Haha, I was shocked too.. somehow it was weird to see a vote on breasts made by the officials :P
2005-09-30 [Kelaria]: Imagine if someone had walked by? That would have resulted in a VERY sticky, hard to explain situation, almost definitely resulting in me being fired from my job. Which is NOT okay. Imagine if a photo of breasts had popped up?? that would have been ten times worse.
2005-09-30 [SoullessDrifter™]: wow that is one incredible conversation you two have had, but who else has also comented on the subject?
2005-09-30 [Nita]: Well, it's very sad that you work for people who consider the word "breasts" obscene... But can anyone here define "artistic" in "artistic nudity"?
2005-09-30 [goody gumdrops]: i think they are ok to show god gave them to us
2005-09-30 [deus-ex-machina]: I would consider it nudity and I would be against it in many circumstances. 'Bitch Hit List' - here are all the titties of all the girls I've fucked. I find something like that inappropriate. But something displayed as art would be acceptable, as I thought was accepted now. I think there should still be a warning... so I know not to scroll down the page when my mom is talking to me.
2005-09-30 [RiverStar]: I think it's only bad nudity if it's show in a pornographic way. There has to be some artisticness to the display and not just breasts for the sake of breasts.
2005-09-30 [WolfBrother]: yes, i agree with RiverStar, breast are fine, while shown in an artistic manner. now, porn is a different matter, it porn. but breasts are a good nudity as long as they are shoen about in a non-orgy kinda way *which, while is good, is not for elftown*
2005-09-30 [RaeMeg]: Artistic nudity is simply showing the human form in it's completely natural state- without clothes. A woman sitting on the edge of a stream, her breasts exposed, washing her child- that would be artistic nudity. A very animated girl with unnaturally large breasts taking a suggestive pose- that's just crude. It's fine and dandy to talk about artistic nudity, but the fact is, people will be offended no matter what; either they'll see breasts, or they won't be able to post their images. Either way, people will be upset.
2005-09-30 [Whim]: I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but this wiki has become very repetitive. Everyone is just saying the same things over and over again. Also, everyone seems to be agreeing with eachother which means everyone is agreeing with the person before them and then restating what the person before them said in a vicious cycle of insane mindlessness.
2005-09-30 [Mom]: Thats because everyone is stating what they feel without reading what has already been written. ( But then who wants to read all that repetition?) LOL
2005-09-30 [Whim]: Wiki owners should add comment summeries to their pages. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a spot on every wiki where the owner could give everyone a quick rundown of what's taken place in the comment box thus far?
2005-09-30 [Mom]: There should be a simple answer for this too...but it won't happen either.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: It's hard to go back and read everything, especialy if it's more than just a page. But even if you do read it all, it's going to end up being repetative because we're all talking about the same topic here and the only people who actually want to says omething about it happen to be the ones with good ideas that most would gernarly agree on.
2005-09-30 [sTReeT_RaCeR]: BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2005-09-30 [Kisama]: I dont know if this has been covered, it probably has, but I think that If there are going to be breasts on someones House, or in a wiki, it should be pertaining to art...Elftown is after all a community for ARTISTS and writers and such, If it has nothing to do with art, simple...BAN the offender no second chance, nothing....I am personally getting sick and tired of seeing these houses that state "Oh I am soo horny" Good for you, go to a chatroom...i'm sure that Hedda didnt make ET for people to have cyber sex...keep ET clean and dont allow distastful display of Nudity....kind
2005-09-30 [aloneyouth]: i was shocked,i supposed that the private things was important in elftown.but i see that everything is in words not in real.....
2005-09-30 [Mom]: Thank You [sTReeT_RaCeR] for your contribution to our discussion. Another ET Artist heard from.
2005-09-30 [zip]: I must agree that this is getting quite repetitive, 550 comments ago the very same things were being said. By the way, it is not the job of ET be a workplace friendly site, if you are worried baout being fired from your job for having "breasts" on your computer screen.. my opinion is that you shouldn't be browsing ET when you are at work anyway.
2005-09-30 [Night Rider]: i just have to say I agree with RaeMeg
2005-09-30 [Angelic nightmares]: Breasts are just that....breast
2005-09-30 [Didilidoo]: No Way i dont want to see any breasts on here..........
2005-09-30 [cobwebb]: I think it is okay to have bare breasts but only to a certain extent, it should be for artistic reasons because after all Elftown is about artists and writers...
2005-09-30 [hanhepi]: i think the easy way to keep from being fired from your job for having boobs on your comp would be to only use the computer for work related activities. so amen to zip on that one.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Commenting on [zip]'s statment, It is true that we've talked about the same thing over and over again, but it makes it easier for those who can't be on the comp all day to get inot the conversation that they dropped off a page and a half ago.
2005-09-30 [#1 stoner w/ a boner]: its only porn if you think of it as porn but we are all born naked so i think there is nothing wrong with it
2005-09-30 [Dilly Kraut]: who does showing breasts really hurt?
2005-09-30 [popeyethecat]: I honestly think it depends how it is used. A bare-breasted Greek Goddess at a waterhole I think would be perfectly acceptable! But in-your-face "Look at these beauties! I'm 32 GG!" Is just ridiculous.
2005-09-30 [**Lyke OMFG**]: Nevermind
2005-09-30 [eldil]: So then lets avoid crude nudety.
2005-09-30 [silverflagon]: We were made in gods image, or so the book says, so it's got to be an insult against god to consider breasts and the human body as ugly and to be hiden! . Well that is the logical way of looking at it anyway! In my opinion though, those who are quick to yel porn are the ones that are also ogling the nude images in the first place. They are just trying to blame everyone else for the filthy state of their own minds... There that is different Oh and don't agree with showing the body in public just for sexual gratification. Children that grow up seeing the nude human body around them, never see anything wrong in it, only those who grow up in a society that hides the body see it in an ugly way.
2005-09-30 [Mom]: 3 to 1 odds for Boobs.Why doesn't that suprise me?
2005-09-30 [Calico Tiger]: Guys, you are all missing the question. The question is not "Should nudity be allowed on Elftown?". The question is "Should breasts be considered nudity?" Will we also start redefining what the word "bald" means?
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: It's society that has made certain things taboo, and with things as they are, there is no possible way to simply say 'well this is art and that isn't', because someone will always make it into something it isn't, that's the media's fault
2005-09-30 [silverflagon]: Nudity is bare skin, and breasts that aren't cover up are bare, so ipso facto they are nude! But is nudity a bad thing? I go to life drawing classes, and I now look at the nude body with a completely different eye. I would no longer be shocked to see a nude man or woman walking down the street, but if that woman started to rub her breasts in a sexual way, then I would be shocked and angry. It all depends on time, place and atitude.
2005-09-30 [made drummer]: nude is natural! with any part of the human body is only natural, why should it offend people - how we are all brought up i guess, i dont care though, bit of a naturist i guess!
2005-09-30 [SuicidalEternalX]: I'm with [made drummer]... Nudity is natural... I see no reason why people are offended by it or think it's wrong... LOOK IN THE DAMN MIRROR AFTER A SHOWER PEOPLE! Oh my God! Nudity! Let's ban showers and changing clothes!
2005-09-30 [SkorpionDruid]: I find it strange that everyone thinks nudity is okay. How would you feel if someone was walking around with bare breasts? I suppose that online all people do is seek out sexual stimulation, so that's why everyone is so anxious to allow breasts. I guess we are nothing more than animals these days. Something which is viewed as strange to say the least in real life is viewed as "just natural" online. I guess all the guilt for looking at someone for simple sexual stimulation goes away when it's just something online... And I would like to remind you all that this is a page which VERY young people view REGULARLY. By showing breasts you are exposing children to a form of pornography.
2005-09-30 [silverflagon]: So we shouldn't show our breasts to a baby [SkorpionDruid]? Then how do we feed it then? And how do you know that seeing a breast gives you sexual stimulation? Unless you go looking for them to get some stimulation, and then pretend that you are shocked! Go get a life for goodness sake! it's your mind that is dirty not bare breasts.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: We're not looking for sexual stimulation, we're trying to show people that there is nothing wrong with showing a womans breasts. I myself have gone without a shirt and there is nothing wrong with it. People makes a females breasts taboo because that is all they know. Yes, there are many on here that are young, but then it just makes more sence. Why not be open with those who are younger than us about such things to rid ourselves of that stupid taboo. Men have the same thing, except that they are less prominent and don't produce milk. That's all they're there for anyway. If we are convering our reproductive organs than there is nothing wrong with bare breasts.
2005-09-30 [bryse7]: seeing a womens breasts is just like seeing a mans nipples look at my picture it would be good if girls were doing things like that
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I would have to agree, thank you
2005-09-30 [weasel6]: ok.. men can take ther shirt off and thers nothin wrong with that !! but girls have brests so ther for if boys & girls had brests it would be perfictly normal
2005-09-30 [weasel6]: problem solved!!!!!!!!
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: But they are the same, yes, there are some differences, but we make the differences more promenent because of what we have come to believe.
2005-09-30 [IRULE]: weasel6... please shutup and die, you're a dolt, ther for [Sick] when you say anything you fail. I do, however, love how your solution to the problem never posed and the question never asked was that men should have brests [Sick].
2005-09-30 [Lorien Falls]: I'snt this great how everyone took a simple poll and ran with it. Next we should have a poll on abortion or prayer in schools. way to go powers that be!
2005-09-30 [IRULE]: Apparently when I try to write [ s i c ] Elftown changes it to the closest member name...
2005-09-30 [silverflagon]: I am very suprised at how many members have voted for, or shouldn't I? 1412, they have certainly come out for this poll if no other LOL! Try typing (sick) instead [IRULE] but do try to make sense in your posts, and show some imagination for goodness sake!
2005-09-30 [multypersonality]: depends on how they are shown, the pose etc that will say if it Pr0n or art at least thats what i think
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I don't think telling someone to shut up and die is the best way to go about asking someone to stand down... *nrevous laugh* But that's just me. As to [Lorien Falls] that would be rather intersesting, and I'm sure more people would get overly angry than with this.
2005-09-30 [Amtharnis]: I don't know why you can't just compromise. How about if people are only allowed to show only one breast at a time while keeping the other one covered. That way, one breast will be bare for those who like to see breasts uncovered, while the other breast will be covered to appease those who want breasts covered. Now I am sure both sides will nitpick (or should that be titpick) about one of the breasts being in a state not to their preference, but these people are obviously extremist wanting it to be either one way or the other - but you get unhappy extremists no matter what you do - and with the one breast revealed policy neither side can be said to be favored.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: *lol* that's really entertaining and very true. But compromise in something like this isn't possible, as you can clearly see. There will always be someone who is unhappy with the outcome... always
2005-09-30 [Snowblind Lion]: curiousity is human. its human nature to be curious. what is kept hidden, estimulates the urge to see what lays hidden.
2005-09-30 [123.]: ok...well...ba
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: ...But they're part of your body. I wonder how you shower...
2005-09-30 [Done With ET]: I'm sorry, but aren't we born naked? It seems to me that's the way it should be. What's to be ashamed of? Nobody has anything that anyone's ever seen before.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: Thank you! I'm so glad someone's thinking about that.
2005-09-30 [Amtharnis]: We are also born covered in slimey stuff too.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: What does that have to do with anything?
2005-09-30 [Amtharnis]: Well, some people may consider being covered in anbiotic fluid to be disgusting, so I guess that is the same as some people considering that nudity is disgusting... even though we were born naked and slimy.
2005-09-30 [Kitsune Arashi]: I guess so, but it is a little different.
2005-09-30 [Haziel]: I am sexually stimulated by female breasts and women are stimulated by male breasts. There is also nothing wrong with it, thus that´s our nature. But don´t lose objectivity in the point, in most societies bare women breasts are considered nudity. I am not by chance offended by it, and I find nudity beautiful when exposed in a work of art. Still a lot of societies have a really closed criteria and people can easily be offended when touching the sensible parts of their ideologies in any discussion.
2005-09-30 [Haziel]: I think that by considering it nudity, elftown would show respect to the ideologies of the people that come from closed societies that conforms its community, and by this means of tolerance keeping itself as a worldwide public site. By not considering it nudity it would give more freedom of expression but would risk offending a numerous group of people.
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: But that goes back to what I said... about three pages back. Elftown was created for artists and writers, not for horny males looking for someone to cyber with
2005-10-01 [zip]: You forgot the horny females who put up pictures of their breasts, or a model's breasts since their own are probably ugly.
2005-10-01 [Haziel]: I agree with you, but I am not talking of what you have already said, I just exposed what I have seen as objectively as I can and am not taking either positions. still a huge number of non artists have joined elftown and my guess is that that other situation might just worsen with time. elftown has stopped being primarly an artist site and has become a public site.
2005-10-01 [hive]: sociaty has made us belive all nudity is wrong, but the bare body is so beautiful and we are all either artists of some kind or lovers of the arts, let it be for the sake of art and not distastful, kisses to all
2005-10-01 [kitty6]: bare breasts are beautiful but i do think if you are under 18 years old then at least wear a bra
2005-10-01 [The Anti-Christ]: Shut the fuck up :o
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: Okay, we were all haveing a very good conversation and then all of a sudden you have to say something so stupid that has nothing to back it up
2005-10-01 [pyro22]: this is perficly (cant spell ha
2005-10-01 [pyro22]: this is perficly (cant spell ha) normal i dont have a problem with it so you shouldent eather love your body and others more
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: Wow, the conversation just got very watered down...
2005-10-01 [MatchBookRom3o]: i think we were born naked, and we should stay naked, clothes suck
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: Yep... it's completely watered down now...
2005-10-01 [Erdrawg]: Yes breasts are nudity. No there is nothing wrong with nudity. Sexuality and nudity are two different things, and the fault when someone is aroused by nude art lies with the viewer not the artist. What is hard and round and full of seamen? A submarine ofcourse, unless you mind is where it shouldn't be.
2005-10-01 [seejessiedraw]: horray for BOOBIES!
2005-10-01 [guardian584]: wow . yeah some stupidity always ruins a good conversation. but yes i agree. since we were born naked we should have the ability to decide if we want to show off our naked selves or not and not be looked down upon because of some stupid conformist ideals. and if you want to be all slimy and covevered in gooy stuff then more power to you. lets not get excited and get all flustered over naked tits. its life. deal with it. were all adults.....wel
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: Exactly, as i said before, I have gone without a shirt more than once and some people are even affected by women walking around in their bras. C'mon people! It's the same thing as walking around in a bikini top.
2005-10-01 [fungyew]: as long as the very small children are not exposed because they are basturds and they dont deserve to see the goods ever!
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: What happened to the conversation?
2005-10-01 [boicraazy22]: I think that artisticaly displayed breasts are fine, but if they are used to attract others, such as "HEY CHECK OUT MY HUGE ASS TITTS!" then they should not be allowed. I also realize this would take more work on going through and deciding what is accpetable and what's not and I do not have an answer to this yet, but perhaps someone else can come up with one.
2005-10-01 [SuicidalEternalX]: I don't know... Sexually aroused men took over... Sadly... But I still believe it's natural and a form of art if shown tastefully... But then again, people will aways break the rules...
2005-10-01 [Kitsune Arashi]: See, I don't think it would be very hard to pick out which is which. When it's art, you can tell, when it's not... it's not. I hate women like that, it makes all the rest of us look easy. In a round about way, women like that are the reason why women have such a hard time with men... other women and the media of course.... goddamn them
2005-10-01 [SuicidalEternalX]: Agreed...
2005-10-01 [Demonic Dead Angel Of Life]: as long as its not trashy i dont mind but if they are trashy and take over this site i'll likely quit getting on here =P
2005-10-01 [PetStudent]: To me, it's not the point whether breasts are shown, as much as HOW they're shown. A female nude, so to speak - no problem what so ever. The standard playboystyle girl, showing breasts, the look from "below", pouting lips; then I start to react, but more because of the view on women displayed than because I find the nudity per sei offensive. That makes sense to people?
2005-10-01 [Shalazzar]: agree. just stick to artistic nudity, and i wont mind. as soon as we get pornpics here, i shall report the guards.
2005-10-01 [tygrax5]: Actully I think bare breasts are perfectly fine. The human body is a beautiful thing if shown properly. Something like making showing breasts not aloud would be horrible, it would cancel out alot of people artistic rights and ideas.
2005-10-01 [Tadriendra]: Ok, all perverted guys going to vote D because then they know it will be legalized.. But i myself thinkit's a perfectly normal part of the artistic body..
2005-10-01 [Ghost the Hybrid]: i think that if mans and childrens breast are not nudity why should womens breast be that????it's the same thing.....be proud of your boddies^^i think its stupid that womens cant be in the streets whit out t-shirts
2005-10-01 [vampkiss]: i agree with virtually everything thats been said. what i do have a problem with is how elftown seems to be going continually downhill. when i joined it was a site for art lovers to talk (not needingly about art) and meet people that they have in common, now there are so many id's refering to cyber, pictures of young girls which are probably stolen from some mag, and just blatant direspect for what elftown was created for. i have absolutely no problem with art, or love of the natural form. what i do have a problem with is how horny teenagers (and some older men and women i mite add) are using this site as a place to force their raging hormones onto others.
2005-10-01 [Fallendew]: The only concern I have about showing it, is all of the younger audience
2005-10-01 [Ghost the Hybrid]: but think men can do it ans so can children why shouldn't women do it?????
2005-10-01 [~Altopia~]: I think this is, and will be for a long time a touchy subject. I myself am an artist and when drawing the human body I feel totally at ease with it, it becomes a beautiful mixture of shapes, tones, textures working in harmony, and the diversity of peoples bodies add to the work and give it something real...However
2005-10-01 [Ghost the Hybrid]: i think that its up to the person to have the warning sign on there houses
2005-10-01 [~Altopia~]: I feel differently about it, but not so much breasts, they are a beautiful part of the anotomy, more sexually suggestive poses with bare breasts,I dont want my children saying mummy, why is that lady on Elftown rubbing her breasts, atleast if there is a warning, I know I can still enjoy ET with my sons here with me and not have to explain those sorts of things to them.
2005-10-01 [Sliverbane]: It's all in the eye of the beholder... If you're the kinda person who is ashamed of nudity in any form and you see breasts on the screen... tch! I guess I'm trying to say is that there will always be a stigma attached to exposed flesh. It's funny the more clothes we wear the more taboo nudity becomes. I'm moving to Africa.
2005-10-01 [Ghost the Hybrid]: ^^lol^^well said sliverbane^^
2005-10-01 [Latex_sex]: i dont see a problem with breats being aloud on the site if its artistic (whether photographic or drawn/painted) but as was mentioned it would take alot of time, effort and debating to decide which pics are 'artistic nudity' or plain exposure... a simple solution would be to not show breasts at all (photographicly) because there are many young children on this site.. and they seem to be getting younger and younger..
2005-10-01 [Haziel]: all that´s said is fairly right, and that´s the whole point everyone is discussing the moral. That after all is kinda funny, everyone has different moral, obviously and every society has a different moral as well (it´s not the same México City´s moral as Amsterdam´s) so everyone is right and there will be no agreement to this between both sides. but just as it has been said several times "It´s all in the eye of the beholder"...
2005-10-01 [Ghost the Hybrid]: thats soooooooooo true^^
2005-10-01 [Haziel]: ... lol, what if the beholder is some cristian fundamentalist organisation know as "provida" who happens to have the penal code of the mexican federation at hand? I despise those ultra right side societies but they would do whatever it takes to go against this kind of situations. everyone is overlooking the legal side of this issue thus what would happen if guardian584 (17 years old) would decide to upload an artistic nude pic. well according to article 201 of the penal code of the Mexican Federation its minor corruption with a sanction of 5 to 10 years of jail and a fee of 500 to 2000 days of the minimum sallary
2005-10-01 [Mr.Scoop]: I say that artistic nudity should be alowed, and people who expose their art on their page should ask the guards for a warning at the top of the page like so many people on here have.
2005-10-01 [Ghost the Hybrid]: ^^
2005-10-01 [Winha]: if it's good, if it's artistic, why not show it?
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